SUMMARY Career WAR 106.6 W 355 L 227 ERA 3.16 G He struck out 676 batters and walked just 289. In addition, Maddux lives in Las Vegas, and he thinks like a gambler. And I cant help but think that Madduxs pitching had that sort of hypnotic effect on umpires. With this extremely quick and easy debunking process of checking ourselves, we can see that the meme was wrong, but only by a numbers. At this point, it's worth noting that Maddux around the time of his Hall of Fame election in early 2014 advanced a slightly different version of events. In this version of mound history, word circulated around the league quickly, and by early 1990 pitchers were taking preventative measures. You feel so comfortable against him, Joe Girardi said. Understand, it wasnt disrespect they all respected Maddux. And Maddux? There are 1,165 unknown pitch counts, so there could actually be more than just this, but its still not 310. Over the next four seasons, Maddux would go 69-49 for Chicago with a 2.97 ERA in just over 1,000 innings. There is a legend that once Maddux was sitting in the dugout watching the game closely. Peter Morris included that anecdote in his book, A Game of Inches: The Stories Behind the Innovations That Shaped Baseball and went on to say that when Allen returned to the U.S. in 1991, the practice had already caught on in the states. pic.twitter.com/mcXx0MemJf, Detroit Tigers (@tigers) March 19, 2020. Stealing strikes. Every day we present the best quotes! One reason was his pinpoint control, with his ability to notch front-corner strikes leading to claims that umpires gave him a much wider strike zone than the rest of the league. Then he got off to such a bad start at spring training in 1988 that he couldnt even sleep at night. " The best pitchers have a short term memory and a bullet proof confidence. This was more than a happy accident. You hear all this talk about cheating in baseball. Lets start with the truth. And the first pitch was a fastball in, Clark said. That's no way to play baseball. -- Greg Maddux, I try to do two things: locate my fastball and change speeds. And it worked.. The right-hander, who went 35-19 with a 3.36 ERA in 66 career starts against the Mets . Maddux was one of the best pitchers who pitched exclusively in the Live Ball Era. There is also a line called Unknown count there are 321 plate appearances where we dont know what the count was on the final pitch. I agree to receive the "CBS Sports HQ Newsletter" and marketing communications, updates, special offers (including partner offers), and other information from CBS Sports and the Paramount family of companies. That's straight from the pitcher himself, and, yes, he said he was bound headlong for pinstripes before the team failed to make him an offer. He had grown to like that pitch a lot. So if hes throwing three lefties in and hes not throwing one lefty in, then whats the deal here? Clark said. He never had a pitch that you would rank among the greatest of all time if you were ranking the top 20 or top 50 fastballs or sliders or curveballs or change-ups, you probably wouldnt put Maddux on any of those lists. Our digital library hosts in multiple countries, allowing you to get the most less latency time to download any of our books like this one. They won the World Series in 1996, 1998, and 1999, and then they added another ring in 2000. He also is a credentialed member of the Diamondbacks press corps for Last Word on Baseball. Still, he knows Clarks version of events, about how the first baseman glimpsed the coming attractions straight from the pitchers mouth. Each pitch in his mind was measured not so much by movement and location as by conviction. He never forgot it. According to Baseball-reference.coms Play Index, 312 batters experienced 30 counts against Maddux, no less. He could make the ball jump and dive and side-step, and he threw it exactly where he intended just about every time. The best pitchers have a short term memory and a bullet proof confidence. Maddux indeed later took up covering his face with his glove during mound conversations. In their regular-season battles, Clark was 11 for 46 (.239) against Maddux with one homer, six walks, 13 strikeouts and a .709 OPS. That would make the count 0-1 and do you know what batters hit against Maddux in their careers when behind 0-1? And Maddux throws me a 3-2 changeup and I sort of hooked it out to right-center for a homer. Exactly, Clark said. Maybe 1% of it gets peeled back with this fact he would rather you not know: Over the past four seasons Maddux has been the greatest righthanded pitcher since Walter. I daydream just like everybody else. or Best Offer. I look forward to another good year next year. Its not college I didnt go there just for a recruiting trip. But I really know how to do this. I didnt know whether he was going to take Maddux out, Clark said. Greg Maddux, who was a key . And then the next year, when I come into spring training, its even more of a big story.. By the time I became a baseball fan in the early 2000s, he was older and less effective. Me, I try to locate better. -- Greg Maddux, Consistency is something you can always improve on. I just throw my fastball (to) both sides of the plate and change speed every now and then. You see it all the time now, Brantley said. But it turned out the ball was not routine at all. The righthander was discussing how changing speeds and having control are far more important than velocity, because no hitter can tell the exact speed of a pitch. Greg Maddux Position: Pitcher Bats: Right Throws: Right 6-0 , 170lb (183cm, 77kg) Born: April 14, 1966 in San Angelo, TX More bio, uniform, draft, salary info Hall of Fame 4x Cy Young 8x All-Star 1995 World Series 18x Gold Glove 4x ERA Title 31 31 36 30 Become a Stathead & surf this site ad-free. Whats interesting, Maddux said, is that it seems like the better the hitter, the easier it is to get them to take a strike. His respect for Maddux is profound. Later, when they were teammates, Justice asked Maddux why he did that. Then I see somebody else covering their mouth. And, in baseball terms: Thank God I didnt miss it.. I will be back. Wow. Two runs scored. I couldnt ask for a more routine ball, Sandberg would say. You tell a legendary story about Koufax, and it will involve a game, surely a World Series game, when he was utterly invincible. And thats when Maddux threw a fastball that sunk just so and prompted Alicea to ground the ball to second baseman Ryne Sandberg. The reason I think I'm a good pitcher is I locate my fastball and I change speeds. The men battled back and forth until the count was full. Hundreds of pitchers . 2004-2023 CBS Interactive. Eddie Perez, who was usually his assigned catcher, caught the pitch. Maddux gives an example: Lets say he faces a batter early in the game and gets him out on the first pitch. You take that chance.. So, I throw a breaking ball for a strike on the outside half, hes not swinging, Ive evened up the count. You tell a legendary story about Gibson, and it will involve violence or the threat of it. I go up to into home plate and dig my hole my little foot hole I normally do. Much of that excellence occurred while Maddux was a member of the Atlanta Braves. Rick Sutcliffe, who is Madduxs longtime friend and ex-teammate with the Cubs, once toldStark that one of the reasons Maddux started covering his conversations was because, Greg was a guy who used some profanity from time to time. I'm a pitcher with some control issues that I've finally fixed and want to get some movement. Maddux said he knew it was time to retire when he threw a pitch at Dodger Stadium in 2008, executed everything perfectly, peeked at the scoreboard and saw 82 miles per hour. [Codify] Most MLB seasons stealing at least one base without being caught at all? Greg Maddux had every intention to sign with the Yankees in 1992, but he says he never received a contract offer because one of the Yankee front office members had a heart attack (via @ToeingTheSlab) pic.twitter.com/fz6qo05A8J Talkin' Yanks (@TalkinYanks) January 18, 2022 However, these statistics presented as facts are not correct. 2nd inning: Three groundouts Stealing one base in each of. We can make a rough estimate, however, by using the count data from 1988 to 1990, which was the last season Maddux had a walk rate that was 7.0% or higher. Just wondering what did Greg Maddux threw. My friend, who was normally shy and reserved, did these things as enthusiastically as everyone else. Period. But while the stories may have overstated things for effect, it is certainly true that Maddux did not work with those one or two death-defying pitches that have marked the greatest pitchers ever. I guess I'll have to get a second job. -- Greg Maddux, I would love to try to win another game. The breezy back-and-forth lasted all of one batter, a strikeout, but it had the air of a baseball document being declassified. This may sound pretty typical for Maddux in his heyday the guy threw a lot of shutout. Obviously, it's more fun when you win. I never thought of it, really. Fittingly, as of 2019, Greg Maddux has the most career Madduxes with 13, since 1988 when accurate pitch counts were tracked. Maddux, famously, has a near-photographic memory for pitch sequencing, but he was in no position to confirm or deny much about how he approached Clark in Game 1 of the NLCS. Now say "You'll look the fool and like it!" when Greg Maddux takes the mound He'll get ahead with first-pitch strikes, hit spots to suit his fancy You'll hit like such a little girl . You can be more consistent with your mental approach, the things you do physically on the mound. The quick counter is that Maddux has his own theories about why pitchers now cover their faces with gloves, and his origin story involves some foul language, an annoyed wife and a journeyman outfielder with a mere 20 lifetime home runs. But this was part of the magic he wasnt trying to make any of those lists. He said that he felt relaxed and at ease and strangely confident, but that he didnt feel compelled to do any of the things the hypnotist asked. In 293 of those, the batter walked; 153 were intentional. 5. This is second-level stuff, right? Authenticity Guarantee. He was terrific in Des Moines, but was even worse when they called him back. People judge too much by results. Lets just make sure were using the right number when describing Madduxs stats. The Yankees had offered the right-hander $6 million more, with then-general manager Gene Michael saying, "He's the best one out there. Maddux did face 20,421 batters over the course of his 23-year career. And let's not forget that this was during one of the offensive heights in baseball history. He would win at least 15 games in every year with the team. Yours too, I assume. Although his fastball often sat in the upper 80s, he . It means that there are 312 plate appearances that ended on a 30 count. From 1992-1998, seven seasons, Maddux went 127-53 with a 2.15 ERA, he won four consecutive Cy Young Awards, he led the league in ERA four times, in WHIP four times, in Fielding Independent Pitching four times, in fewest homers per nine four times, in fewest walks per nine three times, in strikeout-to-walk ratio three times its like he ascended the mountaintop and became a pitching flash of light as he connected with the universe. As mentioned earlier, it is impossible to know. Greg Maddux Awards, he also shines defensively, as evidenced by his 13 consecutive Golden Glove Awards since 1990. Instead of doing 5 good pitches an inning, try to make six. Throughout the day, @MLBNetwork is airing its documentary on Mark Fidrych before showing his complete game on June 28, 1976 vs. the Yankees. Will Clark demonstrated as much during the 1989 National League Championship Series, when he locked his gaze on Greg Maddux during a mound visit and saw him mouth the magic words fastball in before turning on an inside fastball for a tone-setting Game 1 grand slam. I dont do it anymore. On Dec. 9, 1992, with Maddux coming off his first Cy Young Award following a 20-11, 2.18 ERA season as a Cub, the Braves inked the right-hander to a five-year, $28 million deal. Maddux is standing on the mound and Zimmer has his back to me, Clark recalled. Whatever it hit, the ball jumped impossibly high, grasshopper style, over an outstretched Sandberg. That's what you do to pitch. Thanks to Baseball-reference.coms Play Index (which is totally worth your subscription dollars), we can definitively see that of his 177 intentional walks, 153 of them came in 30 counts. When they're in a jam, a lot of pitcherstry to throw harder. One of the things that happened to me, I was in the minor leagues so long that when I did get a chance to get to the big leagues, I forgot about it. Before signing with the Atlanta Braves prior to the 1993 season, his lowest walk rate for a season was 6.2% (1991). You tell a legendary story about Ryan and it will involve speed and force. Consistency is something you can always improve on. He just wanted to see if Cubs manager Don Zimmer would signal for left-hander Paul Assenmacher, who was warming up in the bullpen. He explained that you can see something that pertains to what theyre going to do. Is there even a lesson? Still, there was a meme that packages statistics of Madduxs career that arent really talked about. Theres a legend that once when he was with the Cubs, Maddux just started screaming at Atlantas David Justice for no apparent reason. But the Hall . Clearly, things worked out fine for the Yankees, who won four championships during Madduxs 11-year tenure with the Braves. You know what Im saying? The Canon Photocards were sent out to fans who corresponded with Cubs players via mail, this was done both in the 1987 and 1988 seasons. That's it. We usually go to Pebble or Bandon Dunes. This offseason, he spoke with, A half-decade after winning the World Series with the Boston Red Sox, one veteran player is heading to a very different situation. In the evolution of mound visit paranoia, the case of Clark vs. Maddux still ranks among the most-cited events. He was that good. OK, lets get to the legends. The deal almost wasn't. The Yankees had offered the right-hander $6 million more, with then-general manager Gene Michael saying, "He's the best one out there. Greg Maddux, a Hall of Famer, threw out the ceremonial first pitch during Game 5 of the World Series in 2021. Analysts continually said his fastball topped out at 84 or 85 mph, for instance. In reality, though, he held all the cards all the time. I mean, you start thinking about the number of pitches you throw in a game and work backward to eliminate the small handful of pitches that end up beating you mind-blowing. 1993 Topps Black Gold #12 Greg Maddux ($1.25) The 1993 Topps Black Gold design has resurfaced in 2021 Topps, so this look should be a familiar one to modern collectors. He released his first book, Volume I of A Complete History of the Major League Baseball Playoffs, in October of 2021. A commercial writer with tagline skills that would force even Don Draper to say thank you: And his prank abilities were known far and wide(hint: don't eat the chili): Somewhere, in some alternate universe, Greg Maddux signed with the Yankees or stayed with the Cubs and the entire future would have changed. One year we went to Hawaii. Daniel Brown is a staff editor/writer for The Athletic MLB. Lastly, the meme said that 310 saw 30 counts. I'll tell you what I throw. And Maddux was a key reason for Atlantas success, in which they appeared in three World Series and he won three straight Cy Youngs. No. I did this not too long ago while writing the movie Generations of the Game, which plays multiple times daily at the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. The Baseball Hall of Fame spent 11 . It was more like they had the reaction people have when they see a particularly awe-inspiring magic trick. What if he hung the changeup? The baseball player his starsign is Aries and he is now 56 years of age. On August 26, 1995, Greg Maddux was at Wrigley Field in Chicago, formerly his home stadium. And he didnt come in that at-bat. Subscribe to The Athletic for in-depth coverage of your favorite players, teams, leagues and clubs. Ja Morant had unfortunately timed endorsement announcement, Jim Harbaugh offers comment on receiving interest from NFL, Former Red Sox champion lands with new team. The fact was, I wanted to stay in the National League and I wanted to go with a team that had a chance to win.". Yeah, you read that right. I really do. -- Greg Maddux, I daydream just like everybody else. Greg Maddux Quotes and Sayings - Page 1. Gone. An interview request to the Hall of Fame media relations department,sheepishly wondering if Maddux might be willing to talk about Clark, was answered quickly and enthusiastically. I mean, I didnt get good till the 90s, said the winner of four consecutive Cy Young Awards starting in 1992. Hes not bragging now, and he certainly didnt brag then. Greg Maddux, Robin Roberts, Warren Spahn, Orel Hershiser. The thing I am trying to keep in mind is that relying on my past performance will not make me win my next game, it'll only get in my way., I'd rather try and not win than not try at all, Oh, poor me (jokingly, after being told that Randy Johnson & Pedro Martinez would make more in 2003 than he would). Greg has stolen eleven bases in his career while thrice being caught. What? Theres no need to add myths to the equation. In the other 19, the batter put the ball in play. "Greg Maddux faced 20,421 batters during his career and only 310 saw a 3-0 count. I expect to be back. The deal almost wasn't. At least 312 saw a 30 count and at least 153 of those were intentional walks. If thats what the meme said, itd still something I read and say yep, he sure was great! and would still be shared like crazy on social media. The frustration is not there, because I'm still learning. How would he feel then? Maddux was coming off the final year of his run with the Cubs in 92, in which he won his first Cy Young Award. I dont have any special love for any of the teams Maddux played for. I only know one way to pitch. He didnt measure his fastball with velocity or his circle-change with deception or his curveball with the sharpness of the break. Maddux didnt strike Gwynn out a single time NOT ONCE. One reason was his pinpoint control, with his ability to notch front-corner strikes leading to claims that umpires gave him a much wider strike zone than the rest of the league. There's only one surprise: Greg Maddux, who won three Cy Young Awards and reached the postseason 10 times as a member of the Atlanta Braves, will not go into the Hall as an Atlanta Brave. But no, it was Greg Maddux putting ink to paper. One medical emergency could have dramatically changed the landscape of baseball in the 1990s. Gwynn, a Hall of Famer and 15-time All Star, is one of the greatest pure hitters to ever play the game. If you are going to get beat, get beat with your best pitch. His best pitch was the fastball. Greg Maddux had every intention to sign with the Yankees in 1992, but he says he never received a contract offer because one of the Yankee front office members had a heart attack(via @ToeingTheSlab) pic.twitter.com/fz6qo05A8J, I got on the plane, went home, we had a layover in Chicago and I remember landing in Chicago and calling Scott [Boras, Madduxs agent], and he said the Braves were able to make me an offer. A popular meme says that out of the 20,421 batters Maddux faced in his career, only 310 saw a 30 count and 177 were intentional walks. If someone can be nice enough to get a picture of the pitches he throw and maybe a video of the pitch in action would be nice. There are a lot of shots in golf I can't hit, but I try to hit them anyway. There is a legend that once, when asked to intentionally walk a batter, Maddux told manager Bobby Cox, Why would I do that? He then explained that he would throw three pitches, and on the third one, he would get the batter to hit a pop-foul to third. Maddux started 740 games. The funny thing is, as he peered out to the mound during that fourth-inning at-bat, Clark wasnt trying to break the code of how Maddux might pitch to him. The game was against the Cubs. Privacy Policy. Please check the opt-in box to acknowledge that you would like to subscribe. Yeah, I saw him say fastball in and, yeah, I was looking fastball in, but Ill take you back. Player after player talked about how they should have crushed Maddux. We've received your submission. Rodgers took a few days to contemplate his future and, In hindsight, Ja Morants new endorsement deal could have picked a much better launch date. He was throwing confidence. Yes, Maddux recalls the Game 1 performance in which Clark went 4 for 4 with six RBIs. And thats why I wasnt made an offer. Fortunately, Madduxdidsign with the Braves and we avoided all of that. For instance, in 1995, he started off hitters with strikes more than 63 percent of the time. On the way toward Sandberg, the ball hit something. 1987 DONRUSS #36 GREG MADDUX RC CUBS HOF PSA 10 DNA AUTO 10 B1022074-408. I really do., I daydream just like everybody else. We associate the ability to repeat one's key mechanical points time and again, from the stretch and from the windup, with pitcher athleticism. The Athletics Alec Lewis, Rustin Dodd, Chad Jennings, C. Trent Rosecrans and Zach Buchanan contributed to this report, (Top Image: John Bradford / The Athletic; Photos: David Madison, Ronald Martinez / Getty Images). Hed already thrown about 150 pitches, but nobody cared about pitch counts in those days, least of all Maddux. You dont think the hitter, Austin Riley, would have loved to have had an earpiece for that at-bat? It wasnt a voluntary choice. Maddux was undoubtedly spent. He got me out a lot of times, too, he said. 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