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This is one of the most frequently (attempted) reproduced / forged marks of all the No4T marks. That looks like an interesting rifle. The Lee-Enfield No. In September 1945, nomenclature was changed to replace Roman numerals with Arabic numerals. 4 Mk 1* (T) rifle in .303 British made by Savage in 1942. RV# 11322, Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over a superimposed "LB". 772 0 obj<>stream
Some SMLEs may be found with as little as a 3 digit number and high as a 5 digit number. Later in World War II, a hot black oxidizing process was substituted. Something that looks like 12C456 or 12L345. Prior to their creation a variety of WWI sniper rifles were in use. Approved in November 1939, along with the Lee-Enfield No. A listing of British and Commonwealth bayonet markings is available on Bryan Browns Old Military Markings Web site. Thank you for the welcome. II was otherwise identical to the Mk. The No. The longer bolt heads are worth significantly more than the shorter ones and are considerably harder to find. . The front loop is for the forward hand - I like to use it to press the hand against the fore stock to enhance that firm fore-end grip that Enfield like - this front loop can also be adjusted for length to allow the right tautness from biceps to rifle body when in position. No. not at all lol, from the markings I can find and other details would you guys say it's a long branch with a savage magazine? J'aime Je n'aime pas : Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 vs Armes modernes en .308 : Page 1 sur 1: Sujets similaires. The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. Enfield MK1 S.M.L.E.303 British 24' barrel 1905 production This. A general guide for military surplus rifles, pistols, and ammunition. Here's a picture of a maltby 1943 with a similar 'M' as yours, before the 1943: This "last-ditch" SMLE was manufactured in 1943, and it has all the signs of a wartime firearm made in the throws of desperation. II bayonets from 19421944. BRITISH or CANADIAN WWII ENFIELD SLING or BREN used cond. Don(B3)RAOC Primary Pack. Interesting feedback, here are all other markings that I can find. This example was made in the USA by the Savage Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts. British No4 rifles were set up with a 5 digit serial number system with 1XXXX being allotted to Maltby, 2XXXX Fazakerley, 3XXXX BSA Shirley. 1 Rifle in 1926that had served with . Stock No: 7B/546 Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over "S" and "B 75" over "1455". Wartime guns all had letter prefixes, but each. Here's the inside story of what they found and how they're rebuilding an industry giant. Other Components - By studying the few untouched (scopeless) No4Ts we can see which other No4T components came from other supplies to the BSA factory from 1941 to 1945. This is stamped on the band: 1943 A L 1 1385 Also on the rear barrel band it is stamped VNS with a little crown underneath of it and there is an I stamped on the front sight guard. These codes may be found on various wartime small arms manufactured in Nazi-occupied Europe during WW2. The markings were different for the different manufacturers and time periods, but they are all well documented in various books. II* bayonets have been observed with an arrow over "D" marking on the front of the socket. The Original Condition rifles are in good turn in condition. Each loop does its own job - the middle loop of each is for the biceps - typically retaining at least one keeper to synch down around the middle of the upper arm when in position. Although troops often resorted to more expedient means of modifying frogs to retain No. The No. Savage was the only other maker to follow Singer's pattern of marking the spring plunger. Sujet: Re: Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 vs Armes modernes en .308 Aujourd'hui 20:28: Pour en possder une, j'ai une tikka T3x tac en 308 , et 600m ft un temps les rsultats taient prometteurs . Vanden Plas (Eng) 1923 Ltd. of Kingsbury Rd., London produced approximately 950,000 Mk. Singer and other producers (Savage has been observed). There is no US PROPERTY stamped into the top angle of the receiver as well. 5 mm. The No4 Mk1 (T) rifles are pretty easy to verify as they were marked clearly on the wrist band, action and scope mounts. 4 Mk1 (T) sniper . Weight unloaded is Nine pounds even (I weighed it!) 4 Mk. As interest in replacing the No. The Crown Corporation Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, made approximately 910,000 No. Some DP markings on non load bearing parts. There is another marking forward of the breech, but its so small It wont come out well on a photograph, I wouldnt even hazard a guess at what the marking Is as it`s so small and unclear. $8.69 shipping. on Oct 26, 2019. . Also, the Tape Hunt makes a return. Serial Numbers, Model, Mark and Manufacture Identification, Serial Number and Manufacturer Information Locations. 4 Mk. But the persistent zero problem became an annoyance. 4 Mk I Long Branch aperture sights In 1926, the British Army changed its nomenclature; the SMLE became known as the Rifle No. . The tooling is rough, the bayonet is little more than a . The very early contracts at Holland and Holland for T conversion included selected rifles from Savage, Longbranch, Maltby and BSA (a single Fazakerley example has been documented @ 2020) - this was too much variation for the conversion process to be efficient and by early 1942 only BSA rifles were to be converted. A small number of aluminum mouthpieces are known, along with a single brass mouthpiece example (discussed below). H&B 2. WIth the No4T there are still a couple of ways to do this - long length of either sling forward or rearward - depending on your stature and preference for adjustment. Marked US Property , Gun is in exceptional condition. I have encountered some post-war (commercial?) Mine only have the serial number (single letter, five numbers) on the butt socket. Spike: C-Broad Arrow acceptance mark (electropenciled). BO 12151 (the five digit no. 4Mk. 2018 at 7:33am: he! It is probably a 2 groove barrel, most Savage No4`s were, but it shoots very well for what it was intended.Robert. To subscribe to the magazine,visit theNRA membership page here and selectAmerican Rifleman as your member magazine. Due to similarities with Indian Government acceptance marks, this was once thought to possibly indicate Indian service. ROF (F)- Royal Ordinance Factory, Fazakerley, UK, FY- Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, (F)-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, UF-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, Long Branch- Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, P.O.F.- Pakistan Ordnance Factory, Wah, Pakistan. 0000001426 00000 n
This example was manufactured post-War for Belgium. VIEWS. 4 Mk 1* rifle I have are the following on the left side of the metal band holding the buttstock to the receiver assembly: (1) "1944" (with the 4 overstriking what. Many minor variations in parts are present across the different manufacturers and for the different years that the rifles were produced. Once the initial range of numbers was maxed out a letter prefix was added and the numbering began again. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. mark) on a scopeless 1944 BSA. The company disappeared in 1970. C-71-111-000/MX-000 will be used for parts procurement. It was the British Army's standard rifle from its official adoption in 1895 until 1957. So they languished deep in the Weedon bunkers. However, these scabbards are encountered far too frequently for only 25,000 to have been made. The No. It is found on early rifles that saw full service (1941 Maltby - un-peened pad screws evident), It is on unissued "scopeless" rifles from 1944 and on later "scopeless" and service experienced 1945 rifles. The rifle Savage produced was the Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.1*, a British military design that was adopted by the U.K. just a few years before World War II began. Recent research by Graham Priest determined that "TRM.1", "TRM.2", and "TRM 3" identify the Tinsley Rolling Mills Co. Ltd. of Sheffield. i would guess longbranch with savage magazine box and some brit parts thrown in for good measure , it does not seem at all unreasonable for the indian FR and yes the indians did no favors for collectors but there is no question who did the deed. not 8.8 Barrel length is 25 1/4 inches, not 25 2 inches This mark sometimes appears alone and sometimes with another forging contractors mark, which suggests that Tinsley supplied steel to several of the socket forging contractors. 0000004719 00000 n
Those who live by the sword get shot. The No. II bayonet re-packaged in 1963 cardboard carton. These later T's often went into stock as "Scopeless" - a rifle in a transit chest as a spare part - awaiting a need and the addition of a scope and bracket - plus all the other CES. JavaScript is disabled. It has been consistently observed but no reason or original documentation found to support it. The No. For more than two centuries, Westley Richards has produced some of the worlds finest firearms, each wearing a timeless and classic look with bespoke flourishes. This is not to say that Enfield serial numbers provide no information or that they are not an interesting subject. 4 bayonet. I bayonet was a throwback. This updated and expanded edition also has a ready model identification chapter and colour plates. Lee Enfield #4 MK1 - MARSTAR CANADA. What this page will attempt to provide is a basic overview of the serial system and where to find them along with the manufacture markings and barrel date stamp that is common on most Enfields. The other details such as maker, model, and FTR are on the left side of the receiver, either very lightly stamped, or engraved with an electric pencil. This mod adds an Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.1 alongside a small quest. Known Issues: PA 3rd Person broken (Wont fix) Tape clipping. Apr 25, 2010 #2 Threeband The M1 Does My Talking Being a Mk1* we knew that though. The stock was made by . No4 Mk2 - 1955. Four firms produced the No. Unfired and as clean and bright as the day it was born in the Fazakerley Royal Ordnance Factory in Liverpool in 1954. History, development, service, specifications, pictures and 3D model. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force). Here are 2 genuine early Singer produced sights - the SM 41 example was more correct to apply to my 1941 MalTby: Note the all blackened finish - dark and matt - typical of war time efforts at H&H. Lee Enfield books by Ian Skennerton - Ideal reference information Buy Now Of other interest - Wood and other Metal marks / stamps. The Lee Enfield by Ian Skennerton (2007) - ISBN: 9780949749826 . For official references, usually the finished and issued rifle was tracked by its rack number and of course these records have long since been destroyed or lost forever. 0000003043 00000 n
In the case of Savage Stevens the serial numbers began with a 0C1 and for Long Branch 0L1, these serials progressed in sequence directly relating the serial number to the number of rifles produced. long by 0.8125in. Barrels with two, three, four, five, and six groove rifling were produced. Piece of cake rebarreling the old No4. The C would make it a Savage, a L would make it a Long Branch. It has a tapered steel body with a ball finial. These are now hard to find in any condition, but this example is near pristine. I with the broad-lipped steel mouthpiece. This is a Lee Enfield No. The other day I bought a No.4 mk1 Lee Enfield from a gun shop and I need some help identifying it. However, this has not been substantiated. endstream
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4 Mk. Hollands also wrote the serial number of the rifle in pencil on the inside of the barrel channel on wooden fore end sections - just the serial number and not the letters have been observed. It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! According to Graham Priest, on a rough scale of observations, he indicated that you see 100P.S.& S.Ltd for every circle mark; 150P.S.K for every circle mark, and 500N56 or unmarked for every circle mark. The following makers' codes are noted on some bayonet blades and scabbards, it is quite possible that they may also appear on firearms and related components. This No. by gruff27 22 Mar 2012, 20:09, Post Subcontractors produced many of the No. 0000002083 00000 n
by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 15:17, Post Qty 1 Smith & Wesson's new M&P FPC is a compact, folding pistol-caliber carbine chambered in 9 mm Luger and designed to accept the company's M&P handgun magazines. Sheffield Steel Products of Sheffield, Yorkshire. The swivel was to be "low turret" in design so that the sling body would be stopped by the existing magazine loop - this allowed the sling to be "locked" in a diagonal exit path off the fore end at an ideal angle to wrap the bicep and provide sling position options for better steadying in all positions. Some of these rifles seemed to have laid in stores until the end of the war and then they and and the remains of the BSA marks were furiously converted to "T" status by H&H while the contract lasted. No5 rifles (Jungle Carbines) serial numbers consisted of a sequential 4 digit number starting with 0001 running through to 9999, the numbers were preceded by a letter prefix. II* bayonet has Arabic markings on the socket. I have a serial number and FTR on the piece you have a picture of; my date is on the main part of the gun right above where your stuff is. The new value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has risen $13.78 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $631.57 . These were the last No. Rifles are in good to very good original condition and ready to fire. 0000000016 00000 n
My thought is its a Savage No4 Mk1* lend lease made in 1942, It has the ( S ) markings and machine marks, The receiver, barrel, bolt, magazine and stock all have the same Indian furbished serial numbers and the savage markings. Most of the parts are interchangeable, the only major difference is usually the factory marking, if it is present. These rifles have not been available in original condition for decades. xref
Among the markings on the No. In 1943, Prince-Smith was assigned the dispersal code N56. Hollands would mark all rifles that they converted, not spare parts. It is essentially an updated N0. I know it was made in north America I'm just wondering if it's the US or Canada. The beechwood furniture is smooth, bright and unblemished. 2. Along with parts replacement and service programs. When reference is made to an all matching SMLE the serial numbers must all be the same. Unlike other makers of No. (120mm.) The rear sights were also switched out for Singer Machine marked and made parts (interestingly not marked S67 yet even this late in production and supply). In correspondence, Anthony Carter indicated that Brades was the maker of many of the entrenching tools. The British No.4 MK I Enfield rifle was well respected for its smooth action and reliability. They are tight barrels. 0000001927 00000 n
4 bayonets went to New Zealand. Your serial No. Pakistan and India added the "Ishapore" screw to reinforce the front wood forward of the knox (more likely job creation for armourers). Scabbard makers included: This uncommon scabbard has parallel sides and is made of very lightweight steel tubing. When the number sequence reached 9999 the next letter assigned to the factory would be substituted in place of the former. Re: Lee Enfeild No 4 Mk1 Markings by Saxon Cross 23 Mar 2012, 13:50 Your serial No. 1) A white "37" painted on the stock. The British No. Lewisham marked their bayonets with "L. ENG. The No. II* its characteristic stepped join between blade and socket. I bayonet was short, light, sturdy, and unappealing. Genuine early BSA marked T rear sight (reconditioned / polished scale face): When the war expedient models were produced (initially with the "L" flip sight, then those selected for conversion to T status had to have the rear sight replaced with a modified micrometer sight (H&H indicated this had been done by stamping the "S" on the front of the right receiver wall ( this happened to most, but not all!)