The short answer is, the best correlation is still STEP 1 scores and SAT/MCAT scores. This post will be cataloged on the wiki for posterity. Original title: 굿 닥터. And this segment of pay i believe will likely increase in the future. The highest average number of procedures performed monthly (35) is by orthopedic surgeons in the 40 to 49 age bracket. As a surgicalist, i work seven 24 hour shifts a month and get 23 days off, so my lifestyle i would argue is better than most. A new Medscape poll probes doctor lifestyles. I know surgeons working at Kaiser that work 35-40 hours a week and make 400k. 99 votes, 201 comments. Welcome to the clinical practice of Dr. Elrashidy. You also could fall in love with another subspecialty theoretically. Surgeons of Reddit: can you describe what your lifestyle is like out of residency? It depends much more on career and circumstances. Do you guys have any questions about medicine, surgery, medical school, residency, fellowship, lifestyle, salary etc? Are you under constant stress? Genres: Romance, Life, Drama, Medical. The minute i saw that shiny mallet, it was love at first sight. If you're reading this and you're a resident who wants to share your specialty experience, check out this post to see some requests, and then start your own "Why you should go into X" thread in the sub. I can speak to a sample of 1, uncle, Jeff, who I’ve written about before: Handsome fellow, right? Ortho. I was a 4th year AOA. Let me explain. Its not chill like the ROADS specialities. News, current events, my dogs, working out/running. Orthopedic surgeon: Benefits. yep. On the side i have a lot of different side hustles including IMES, case reviews, and even some locum work. However there are other academic programs where it's really focused on. This is becoming more popular because it’s more secure. I game a bit but that hobby is practically dead since I have a 1 year old now. In 3rd year, we had a bit of a reprieve and mostly did 3 month rotation blocks in hand, VA general, hand at county, and spine again. Rotations vary between programs, ours included ICU, vascular, cardiothoracic, urology among others. He is an Orthopedic Surgeon with offices in Pleasanton, San Ramon and Tracy, California. And the most intelligent questions are when you’ve already read up on it beforehand. Some results: rheumatologists are happiest, dermatologists are healthiest, 1/3 of docs were … I have medical students that come through to shadow sometimes and that can be fun but it’s hard to really teach anything in a week or two. Some of the benefits of an Orthopedic surgeon is pointed out as follows: 78% of Health insurance. Welcome to /r/MedicalSchool: an international community for medical students. In fact, we are designated as a Blue Distinction Center for Knee and Hip Replacement for demonstrating expertise in knee and hip replacement surgery (2016). Back when i used to be a mp3 bot for AOL giving away music. But if you HATE spine like I do, then your options are more limited. You said you're a PD. Maybe a couple of hours of work a month. skin/soft tissue? Surgeons of reddit, what’s it like being in the OR saving a life? hide. This is also an important year because the trend is for everyone to do fellowships now. This is where reputations are made so first impressions were important. However these days theres alot more hospital employed surgeons. Is this a common trend you see? And bone. 3-7% in practice and I believe 10-15% of residents are now female. Thus the fellowship heavy training, which leads to even less that residents do (as fellows do all the surgeries). Congratulations, now you can make money. get the supplies ready). 0 comments. There is no way anyone is going to let them fix femurs and tibias so they don’t threaten my job security. You just have to kill your sub-I rotation. There's a raging debate as to how much the OITE actually correlates with board pass rates. Surgeons of reddit, are your lifestyles really as terrible as everyone thinks? The proportion of surgeons who remain active past the age of 70 represented 5 percent of the total orthopedic workforce in 2006. microvascular repair? So surgeons of reddit, do you really work 80+ hours per week? I work 80-100 hours a week and still have plenty of time for hobbies and killing time on the internet. It can run from the mundane to the frantic intense. You will definitely have complications -everyone does or they are liars. We call them needle jockeys. We have the expertise to provide the appropriate level of care for your needs. Neurosurg is also more research oriented as most if not all programs are academic. He earned his medical degree from Chicago Medical School, where he … Hardly anyone turns away free eager labor, Final tip and most important. Mostly I just love orthopedic Surgery so even when I’m not “working” I’m reading about it. Our program was academic, but didn't really focus on research. I feel I have good enough stats (260+ step 1, AOA, honors in all clinical rotations so far, engineering background) to be a competitive applicant for ortho, but my question is more about lifestyle. I am an orthopedic surgeon on the east coast. The Broward program, which is a dually accredited AOA/ACGME orthopedic surgery residency, recently received 450 applications for 3 training slots. Let me add an answer that is relevant, I believe, but from a slightly different perspective. The peds rotation was great because you did everything surgery wise, but also almost harder than 2nd year in terms of trauma because if you're in a western state, the cachement area for peds is huge. Ortho is not exempt from this lol. Let's look at the data to see if this holds true. In 5th year, this is where it all comes together. Orthopedic surgeon lifestyle is not easy. Things have changed where no longer do you HAVE to work 60+ hours a week. But i think unlike the other subspecialty surgical fields, the volume of ortho is IMMENSE. Our orthopedic services team includes surgeons, specialists, therapists and technicians. Dr. Viess is a native of San Mateo, CA and a graduate of Duke University. There will be a moment where you reach the singularity point and all that training comes together. The other model of employment is hospital employed position. How hard do you want to work? This is what I do. Once you've seen it done once, however, you should be able to pick up on what supplies are needed. For me, i love this speciality and could not see myself doing anything else. Just pick up a few issues from the library and look for the names that show up twice a year + call them up and see if you can get in. I have minimal research interests but still do a little. It was middle of the road. Orthopedic surgeon arrested, charged with possession of opioids with intent to deliver Coronavirus delays trial of spine surgeon who fled US after allegedly performing 500+ unnecessary surgeries Feds, surgical groups reach $77.2M settlement over allegedly illegal referral arrangement My father was a surgeon, practicing thoracic/abdominal surgery in New England. Our surgeons collaborate with every department across SAGE to ensure your pet has access to the most advanced medical and surgical care. Residency years: Intern year: You're essentially another gen surg prelim. This is also the time when you start applying to fellowships. Now i'm not saying that's necessarily true, but EVERYONE has a MSK complaint at some point. Vampire. Definitely reduces some of the hesitancy I have to dive into a surgical specialty. You do the best you can so you can sleep at night with a good conscience. We'll also discuss how you can set yourself up for success early on if this is something you’re interested in. It’s true for surgeons too because surgeons are also doctors. However these days theres alot more hospital employed surgeons. So we got treated like shit, but we also did a lot of surgery. Not OP but Handbook of fractures, Netter's orthopedic anatomy are good places to start, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the medicalschool community. Now, we have a guy that operates on the left shoulder exclusively (/s). It's unfortunately something we will never live down. We do that. I think this trend initially started to persuade people / fill people in on a field that was relatively unknown (PM&R). Reddit's home for wholesome discussion related to pre-medical studies. My mother went there. has been a practicing Orthopaedic Surgeon specializing in Sports Medicine for more than 38 years providing diagnosis and treatment of professional, collegiate and … This will vary with the program. best. Ask Spine Surgeons is a weekly series of questions posed to spine surgeons around the country about clinical, business and policy issues affecting spine care. Otherwise ... again for me it’s a no brainer. Orthopedists are a very healthy group, at least according to their self-reported scores. Thanks for the great write-up! I am an orthopedic surgeon on the east coast. If you wanna make over a million a year, you're probably going to work for it. But when you are an attending you run the show so just tell them to go F off. Being an orthopedic surgeon is no simple task and therefore requires many hardships to reach in that very position. Seeing all the shiny gadgets, watching some dude using a 10 lb mallet to whack a flex nail out of a kids tibia was an "A-ha" moment of clarity. So USMLE is important and then your letters of recommendation. But more helpful would be if you "fit in" like the ortho bros. And that of course is program dependent. I went to a school that was one of the last ones to be old school. Posted by 6 years ago. One of my good med school friends did neurosurg. Certain programs are more "bro" oriented, but that's changing. I keep hearing stories of there being fewer and fewer private practices in existence and doctors being pushed back into hospitals, Also lots of people coming out of residency want to work for a hospital system because the starting salaries are higher - sometimes 500K or more, But usually after 2 years they move the goal posts and you hit a ceiling with your income and in the long run most private practice surgeons have higher incomes. But since i saw a derm post, we should be good. However, research is NOT necessary for a fellowship, unlike say peds surg (gen surg fellowship). Figure out when to seem interested and ask questions, when to sit back and just do work. So we did a junior and a senior research project, but it was mostly a joke. Depending on the program, you should be mostly surgery heavy. Some are easier, some suck... 2nd/3rd year: Everyone's experiences will be different. Did you take DOs? He is on staff at ValleyCare Memorial, San Ramon Regional Medical Center and Sutter Tracy. Step scores I/II were 254. If your rotation orientation said weeknight call goes until midnight, 2am, etc, don't watch the clock and peace out as soon as the clock strikes 12. To get the volume you need to survive, chances are you’re living in a city. If not it helps if the person is well known in the community. You hit the nail on the head. Especially PMR interventionalists. So what i'm saying is, you'll never go hungry. Also lifestyle angle, not sure I’ve met many lifestyle oriented neurosurgeons. We also know you more than likely haven't reduced and splinted a ton (any?) Possibly 1 year internship. Mastery of your field: Like the derm post, no one knows your field like you do. Thoughts on DO students in the match? Any advice on what you think of both? They can be helpful and profitable in the office. Don't ask to go home early. Thanks. Banged your knee up playing soccer? I try not to be home after 6 ever so I can put my kids to bed and I don’t bring work home with me, Went to Albany Med. Scopes? Arthur J. Ting, M.D. If you are looking for an academic position after training, then it becomes slightly more important. Orthopedic surgeons deal with the entire musculoskeletal system, from birth until our last breath of life. Never knew i wanted to do ortho in med school. Surgeries: I once made a post that i think ortho has the most broad and numerous amounts of surgeries. Topics ... and burnout. Just happened to get lost one day 3rd year during my peds surg rotation and drop into a peds ortho hardware removal case. Yes women are definitely desired at most programs and it is now an asset to you if you are a female applicant. But then i work my extra jobs because i'm bored, but that's a personal decision. Private practice? In our 4th year we did mainly peds, with some spine, foot and ankle, sports. Depending on the rotation you need to know/quickly learn anatomy. They are the ones who allows us to move, work and be active. Six spine surgeons offer advice to medical residents who are considering taking up spine. The gen surg chiefs preferred ortho guys/gals because we took pride in our work and were here to stay (as opposed to transitions/prelims that were gone after a year). One that i have never had before or since. Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts Session 19 Today, I'm going to do a deep dive into some match data for orthopedic surgery, which is known to be one of the more competitive specialties out there. They make 1 mil prolly. 5 year vs 7 year residency. I would hope that we think you guys are just part of the team. One of my favorite teachers in residency was a DO and he’s still kicking ass, Did you start out working in a hospital and if so would you recommend continuing to work there for your career or is it better to move to private practice? Don't go MIA. Hospital systems are also buying groups up -often times a group of aging surgeons looking to be bought out for a golden parachute or guys that can’t survive out in the wild. This is also a time when you reflect on how poor you are. I am about to go into my intern year for surgery, and I unfortunately have not met a lot of surgeons outside of my own med school/residency program whom I can ask about this stuff. We for the most part like that PM&R will do some of the needle stuff, but sometimes pain docs come across as milking the patient for money with a hundred shots (some of these notes have like trigger point, facet blocks, and a bunch of stuff that together seem questionable). As always, how much money you want to make depends on how you want to work. Doesn't hurt to stay fit. So this is your chance to do everything NOT in your fellowship so that when you're an attending, you don't forget the other stuff. I think you should consider what you'll be doing besides spine in either. So yeah, orthopaedic surgeons are busy....people break a ton of bones at 3 am on a saturday night. Our surgeons have practiced in large university-based medical facilities and trauma centers. As another side note, residency programs are a lot easier than even when i did it. Just make sure you retain it so that when you see it again you have some semblance of knowledge about the fracture/anatomy/etc. We'll save it in our wiki for future reference! This i believe has since changed, but 2nd year involved two 36 hour shifts tuesdays and thursdays and another 24 hour shift saturday, so you were working 100 hour weeks consistently for at least a 3 month rotation x 2 during our trauma service. Ortho that’s hit or miss, but certainly not mandatory. At our small hospital only the vascular surgeons were in the ER more when on call. Edit: The idea that surgeons are too busy to reddit is hilarious. Well, here is the straight poop on it from a guy who took call for orthopedics for over 30 years. As a surgicalist, i work seven 24 hour shifts a month and get 23 days off, so my lifestyle i would argue is better than most. The good is that you'll have a slightly better lifestyle. Now i'm in a larger city doing trauma related hospitalist/surgicalist gig. save. I’m on call and bored. There's plenty of consultants hitting 60-80 hour weeks, but there's probably also lots in the US. I don’t teach anymore since I left fellowship and started practice. The 5 least healthy were general surgeons, psychiatrists, ob/gyns, pediatricians, and critical care physicians. Bad day in the OR? I’ve never been to one. If you're taking care of lacs in the ED, be willing/able to sew it up. As a surgicalist, i work seven 24 hour shifts a month and get 23 days off, so my lifestyle i would argue is better than most. Part of why i do locums is to fulfill this niche need. Thus another reason why everyone does a fellowship, not out of interest but pure necessity. Surgeons 70 and older report performing an average of 19 procedures per month. But then i work my extra jobs because i'm bored, but that's a personal decision. Side Note: Didn't see an ortho post so figured i'd fill in a blank. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. And so, they have to receive many benefits to lead a comfortable, stress-free life. Background: I'm a board certified orthopaedic surgeon. In Ortho, you could live in a town of 10k and be fine. Sort by. I have other friends who are employed general surgeons and work shifts, with call averaging 1 in 7; they trade their better lifestyle for a lower salary (and less control than they would have in PP). He received his MD at Rush University followed by a 5 year Orthopedic Surgery Residency at Northwestern in Chicago. Most neurosurg come out and go into spine. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Absolutely crush the fuck out of step 1 is the most important thing you can control. Residencies in orthopedic surgery take five years to complete, with applicants far outnumbering available slots. I'm assuming you're a guy based on the general m/f ratio in the field, but would you happen to know how women do in the field and how comfortable they feel during residency and after? Know where the reds, blues and yellows are. Orthobullets for common ortho mgmt. I'm wondering how much research experience your residents have? If you work in private practice, everything is incentivizing you to work because you're paying for overhead (staff, office, etc). Once you are an attending it’s all on you and you have to get things done. Everyone from a 600 mile radius will call you about some peds stuff, so it's exhausting. Misc: Board exams are 90% pass rate. General surgeons, ortho, and vascular guys work a lot on call. Then 1–2 years of fellowship. Know anatomy -- deforming forces on fractures, reds, blues and yellows as above. Housekeeping: Due to the way residency is structured, residents now are getting less hands on experience than ever. There will be an even greater shortage of ortho surgeons due to this phenomenon. You people have evolved beyond the need for sleep, or food. Hoppenfelds for surgical approaches. Trauma surgery is intense. The other stuff. Patients are offered the most current and evidence-based treatment options, customized to their lifestyle. Because that's going to be the majority of your life during residency. I knew it. I think you can't really make any generalisation, other than life in the UK as a doctor isn't really all that terrible. When this next generation retires, the landscape of ortho will change even more. Then 5 years as a resident, which is utter hell. I have friends with two, even three fellowships, which i think is insane. How do most orthopods feel about PMR docs? Also, we have had many residents not AOA or had a Step 1 score below 230. I know that /u/Nysoz beat me to the punch, but I will try to add some thoughts and give a little bit of a different perspective as our experiences while similar have some differences.. Background: I am a PGY-8, about to be PGY-9 (the flair only goes to 6 on this forum) surgery fellow. The life of a surgeon is all about choices, starting with the career we chose, then the partner(s), both personal and business. Gotta suck it up and push through. Thanks for this!! The non-spine Ortho stuff or the non spine neurosurg stuff. Surgeons of reddit, what’s it like being in the OR saving a life? Personality of Ortho is diff than neurosurg. I don’t understand why people take their babies there in the weird videos I see on YouTube. Weird question, don't look at the username lol. Thank you for the post, I like your username. Also Known As: Green Scalpel, Geurin Meseu, Green Mass. So it's not impossible. Do you guys have any questions about medicine, surgery, medical school … Private practice is still the most common form of employment. In the cities, it's not a big deal because there's enough super specialized surgeons to fill all the gaps. But in smaller towns, this will become an issue. Generally speaking you should know basic ortho trauma -- open fractures, ankle fractures, hip fractures, distal radius fx. I am especially asking about it in terms of publications and research involvement, Research is a necessary evil. report. Have been out in practice for 4 years. yep. Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. So there's never an end to the fun. First of all it helps if the person interviewing you knows the person that wrote the letter. What should I study coming into my SubI to really rock the rotation?? I love mid levels. Overall, we expect you to be available/affable >>> able. We invite all spine surgeon and specialist responses. 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